Will race be an non-factor in the future?

topic posted Sun, October 30, 2005 - 1:18 PM by  J.G.
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Fellow tribe members, do you think race will always be a factor to society when it comes to dating? I realize it's becoming less of a factor and to some it's not a factor at all but the very existence of this club is evidence that there still is "a little something" there. Do you think we as a society will ever get to a point where we'll look at a mixed race couple the same way we look at a couple who are the same race? If so do you think it will be in your lifetime??
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  • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

    Sun, October 30, 2005 - 1:45 PM
    There will always be people who think it's an issue.
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      Sun, October 30, 2005 - 3:17 PM
      As long as we have europeans and white americans race will always be an issue.....because these two cultures exist on exploitation. Any culture where greed is your economic engine you will have exploitation.

      I was asked one day "If I would date a white woman." My response was yes depending on what culture she came from. The person looked at me with a puzzled look and got upset and I had to explain the difference between color and culture.
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        Sun, October 30, 2005 - 6:03 PM
        I think eventually (if a microbe does't get us all or if we don't blow our selves up) the races will mix to the point where it will me a minor factor. There will always be racists or class-conscious people so it will never get to the point where we as a society will be able to say it makes no difference. I think a lot of our reluctance to intermingle with other races comes from conditions society has created. For example I was chatting with this one lady who said that brothers just don't have the economic potential that white guys have. Okay aside from the fact she obviously placed a lot of emphasis on material things she neglected to acknowledge that society had a lot to do with the fact that black males' earning potential is less than that of their white counterparts. In another post you hit on the fact that we are becoming a more classist society. So in the future you might see people looking at a couple funny if his stock portfolio isn't quite up to hers. But I guess we have that already. lol
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          Sun, October 30, 2005 - 6:39 PM
          You see JG you make a very important point. Most blacks for so long have been denied opportunities that the whites have taken advantage of and then blacks get blamed for not being successful. That doesnt give us an excuse because I cant understand why we keep trusting corporate america.....you are a lil older than me....Do think intergration made black people more successful?
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            Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

            Sun, October 30, 2005 - 6:51 PM
            Phira if you look at the history of caucasians.....it doesnt look too good. I would never say that all white people are bad but yall history is making it very difficult to defend my position. For me greed is a basic human instinct We all want more.....The problem is How do we get more.....do we rob, steal, lie and kill...NO. We work hard and improve ourselves and gain more with Morals and Values. I believe in devine destiny so for me my substainance has already been predetermined in this life.
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              Sun, October 30, 2005 - 7:29 PM
              If you look at any one groups history it doesn't make anyone look to good. Pick a group and research it. You will find the "light skin" issue has plagued almost every culture and this was before the Europeans "poisioned" them.

              We don't know 100% of what has happened in the past because we weren't there. If you believe that all life began in Africa then it's safe to say that something happened to cause people to leave and branch out all over the world.

              Btw, greed is not a "basic" human instinct. It is something created by people. Surviving, procreating and protecting one's family are inate basic instincts.

              Race should never be an issue in anything but it remains an issue because people cultivate it and keep it an issue. What is race anyway? It's just a label that says you are different from me but the only difference is you have a penis and your skin color is different. We are both human. We both bleed, we both need food, water and shelter to survive and we need someone to love every now and then.



              >>Phira if you look at the history of caucasians.....it doesnt look too good. I would never say that all white people are bad but yall history is making it very difficult to defend my position. For me greed is a basic human instinct We all want more.....The problem is How do we get more.....do we rob, steal, lie and kill...NO. We work hard and improve ourselves and gain more with Morals and Values. I believe in devine destiny so for me my substainance has already been predetermined in this life.
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        Sun, October 30, 2005 - 6:34 PM
        From my experience, race is just as much an issue with blacks as it is with whites. You can't make a blanket statement that whites are to blame for 100% of the race issues because that takes responsibility off of each ignorant person and puts blame with a whole group when it's the individual person who creates the problem. People in general, no matter what their skin color perpetuate issues. It's not race specific.

        Everybody is to blame not just one specific group of people. Greed is a muthafucka.

        >>As long as we have europeans and white americans race >>will always be an issue.....because these two cultures exist >>on exploitation. Any culture where greed is your economic >>engine you will have exploitation.
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          Sun, October 30, 2005 - 7:38 PM
          hello Lady why blame a race why blame a color, Its nothing to do with europeans, or white americans, actually its we who are to be blamed to be crazy about white color, basically which is actually a pigmentation disorder and nothing more, Start considering yourself HUMANS, first, and always, this will certainly change, dont talk like tht other person, did when I introduced myself when I joined this tribe. BE A HUMAN BEING which God almighty made us.
          JOElittle.
      • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

        Sun, October 30, 2005 - 7:45 PM
        WHY DO PEOPLE ALLOW THEMSELVES TO GET EXPLOITED, YOU YOURSELVES ARE TO BE BLAMED, WHY IS IT PEOPLE COSIDER AMERICANS TO SUPERIORS, OR FOR THAT MATTER ANY PERSON SUPERIOR TO OTHER, THE RELIGIOUS TEACHERS, LEADERS OF A COMMUNITY, ARE ELECTED BY US HUMAN, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPERIORS, BUT BECUSE WE LIKE THEM AND THEIR TOUGHTS. WE MUST BLAME OURSELVES, FIRST BEFORE ANY RACE OR COUNTRYMEN
        JOE little.
  • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

    Sun, October 30, 2005 - 7:30 PM
    I had I would not comment here, but I could not prevent myself, wtf life doesnt end with him, its a free world, But J. G. Your remarks would not let me keep quite. Race is a creation of the Human race, unless we change nothing can change, our thoughts, behaviour and outlook of life. learn to accept and build up the level of tolerance. Then can this world ever hope non racial world citizenship. where bouderies fronteries, shall dwindle and the entire world will be for us human to inhabit. I know one thing Man has not lost, he cannot loose his source in Absolute, we have to change the present, for present has no duration, and therefore it is the inlet to timeless Absolute. Your dreams my dreams are questions which cannot be easily answered.
    JOElittle.
    • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

      Sun, October 30, 2005 - 11:04 PM
      Phira I have to agree each ethnic group has had it's time of dominance and along with that abuses. One need only to look at a lot of the countries in Africa to confirm that. In a lot of countries it's been a while since Europeans ran things yet there is still a lot of strife. Sometimes the oppressed becomes the oppressor. I also think greed is a learned chacteristic and yes it is a mothaf*, it's why the world is messed up today.

      Joe I agree change starts with each individual (look at what Rosa Parks accomplished) but not everyone has the courage to make the stand.
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        Mon, October 31, 2005 - 6:36 AM
        Okay Did Africans have slavery sure but was the slavery the same? No they were very distinct differences. And its not about Domination...Its more about Colonization and Empirialism. Trying to make everyone adopt your philosophies and culture through force and along with those philosophies and culture comes white superiority.

        Thats a reality look at what the Belgium did to Rwanda. Italians in Ethiopia and Eritrea. The British with India and Pakistan. US in Liberia it goes on and on AND TO TOP IT OFF IRAQ you would think history would teach us lessons but Greed is at the center of it all. Now I agree that people should be wise enough to see what is going on and not become victims and some people has actually defeated Empirialism ex Libya when they defeated the Italians. Afghanistan defeating the Russians.

        US defeating the British self determination is every mans right.
        • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

          Mon, October 31, 2005 - 3:52 PM
          The problem is dividing lines. Race is just a dividing lines. Humans always seek a way to make an us and them. If they can't depend on skin color, they choose where they're born or who their relatives are. The dividing lines are what lead to strife. Race is a man-made construct that allows us to create an easy us and them. White and Black are actually absolute bullshit. We are all a bunch of mutts when you get down to it. To me, the mixture of culture, bloodline, ability, etc... is what makes us so strong and beautiful. We are human but we are also earth creatures and our compassion must extend beyond humanity to all oher earth creatures if we are to stand a chance of surviving on this planet.
        • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

          Mon, October 31, 2005 - 8:53 PM
          Yes the Britishers did exploit people in the Indian sub-continent, and elsewhere too. The Origination of America, when really traced back goes to the English Lords and Ladies, illegimate children, who were shunted out to the new world. But in India the British have also left back a legacy of modernisation which is a welcome change from the olden days, which made Indians throw away many of the rigid and traditional norms and practices, bringing about a deffinite change in beliefs and culture. Indian did revolt then and are still revolting now against the practice of castisim, the biggest taboo which we suffer from. It will take time, a definite change has come and the rest of the taboos will also soon disappear. The ethinic difference of opinion between Muslim and Hindu is also degenerating, and one day I hope we Indian, can call ourselves Indian and not muslim or hindus.
  • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

    Tue, November 1, 2005 - 3:43 AM
    What bugs me is it's ok to have the "Black Movie Awards", yet the Oscars or Emmys are for all races (with blacks winning too). If there was the "White Movie Awards" there would be an uproar, I'm sure.

    I understand the need for things like "Black Hair Magazine" since there are differences needed there, just like there is Chevvy magazines, etc.
    Another example is "Black Entertainment TV", but no way could there be "White Entertainment TV" (unless it was full of people in pointy sheets, burning crosses, etc).

    I also dream of the day when people are not judged by the color of their skin... and "Entertainment TV" is not white, black, yellow, red, or blue! It just is entertaining.
    • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

      Tue, November 1, 2005 - 4:05 PM
      I hear you Byran and I think television shows that are distinctivly Black are going to be less and less revelant as society moves ever so slowly toward racial equality. I think it's a carry over from the days when Blacks didn't have much of a chance of winning Oscars and Emmys so they started their own awards shows. In the field of education there are "Historically Black Colleges". Those schools are a product of the time when Blacks couldn't get into most White colleges. Another thing, it's just assumed the dominant race controlls events like the Oscars so calling the Academy Awards the "White Movie Awards" would be kind of redundant. It would be like having "The Black Movie Awards" in an African country where Whites are the minority. As far as acknowledging ones racial identity goes, I think it's wonderful to celebrate each individual's heritage (Irish-American, German-American, Scottish-American, etc.). But I think anything past a couple of generations is kind of pushing it unless you "keep the blood line pure" by marrying people of the same extraction. We are first, citizens of the world. If nothing else "globalization" should be teaching us that. Secondly we are Americans and if some people want to break it down further then be my guest. In the final analysis people have to regognize this is the only world we have and we are going to have to figure out how to get along in it or perish.
      • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

        Wed, November 2, 2005 - 7:03 AM
        the problem is not race... it is ideas and feelings of "difference"... race just happens to be the difference that is promoted to the extreme.
        the difference in finances has been pointed out, but it is not as emotionally charged as race. as long as we continue to look for differences we can forget about equality between races becuz difference negates equality. apples and oranges can never be equal unless we simply see them as fruit. men and women, blacks and whites can never be equal unless we just look at each other as human. i realize i'm simplifying the issue, but it really is simple. america was founded upon racist values and until we ALL cease to apply these values to our thinking processes we are ALL guilty of perpetuating racism.
        when U consider someone "different" U have a tendency to treat them different... this is where it begins. if i see U as myself i will treat U in the same manner i treat myself. i have experienced racism from whites, blacks, muslims, christians... America is an equally opportunity racist nation, and trust... it's not the only one.
        when race no longer matters to us personally... it will cease to exist socially.
        did i say this american society was racist? well guess what... we are that society!

        besides... in America... the races have intermingled too much for anyone to think they don't have black or white blood flowing thru their veins... unless your some inbred hillbilly looking for a role in the next "Deliverance" movie.

        discussion on race are cool, but living and luving everyone and everything... is mo' betta!
        • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

          Sat, November 5, 2005 - 6:28 AM
          Olusanya, your post is dead on and should be required reading for all the world's citizens. Peace out..........
          • Re: Will race be an non-factor in the future?

            Sat, November 12, 2005 - 2:47 PM
            How can I not look and see the difference? Is it not there, should it not be observed, does this make me a racist because it is seen, when I also see the beauty, the progression, the evolution of conscious thought? To see the difference is one thing, but to judge the difference I think is the true problem, the cause of duplicity, ignorance without words, merely stares, gestures of hands, portraits of disgust.
            I observe the complexity, the simplicity, because it makes me happy, grants me a smile, to know that love can blossom nomatter the opinions of outward society, for me I must know this difference, in order to continue to believe that we are going somewhere, that is not hateful, ugly, and savage, but remarkable, safe, and hoped for.

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