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Can anyone explain this one to me?

topic posted Mon, January 3, 2005 - 6:24 AM by  Amber Dawn
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Ok, I was born and raised in St. Louis until I was five years old and my mother moved us to SoCal to escape an abusive marriage.

My mom worked at the St. louis airport and some of her best friends were black. We lived in a neighborhood that was equally mixed black and white, I didn't even know that other cultures exisited until I move to Cali.

When I was three years old my favorite peice of clothing was my black knickers. But coming from a 3 year old its sounded like I was saying I want my black n*ggers.

My mom explained to me that I was never to say the n-word that it was a very hurtful word. And she helped me to pronounce knickers properly.

Moving to SoCal I grew up in a mostly white area, only had two black girlfriends in highschool, (the only two black girls in my highschool). When I was old enough to start going to clubs, I had friends who only dated black guys, not real good friends but ones I went out to the clubs with nontheless, who would make comments like there are some fine n*ggers in here tonight.

Once I started to go to Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo (another one of those schools were all the black students are athletes or african exchange students), which is 99.9% white, but it also has a huge Mardi Gra party each year. Some how I managed to have a date with a black guy that night, his cousin also came out with us with his white girlfriend. She got drunk and mad at her boyfriend and was calling him n-word this n-word that.

After we dropped her off at home I said how can you let that white girl talk to you like that?! They just thought it was funny. I don't care how mad I get at my man, and trust me I've gotten pretty mad at him before, I would never call him that.

I've also seen white guys call each other n*gger. What I want to know is, why is this exceptable in California? And not in other parts of the country? Is it because the slaves weren't brought to California? I just don't understand this. My grandmother is american indian and told me that when she was growing up as a child in California, people would call her a prairie n*gger.

Why don't parents teach there kids how hateful this word is?
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    Mon, January 3, 2005 - 2:48 PM
    I used to have Big Freaking Problems with people using the word nigger. I grew up in NYC, and believe me, you didn't mouth off with that word back when I was growing up (70s and 80s). But thanks to some interesting twists and turns my life has taken, I am no longer able to be hooked by someone using verbiage. I think it is fascinating how language changes and morphs.

    By blunting the assumed "hatefulness" of the word, you dilute its nagative potential. I personally have issue with letting words and the actions of others dictate how I live. No one word should have that much power.

    Peace.

    ~Mollena
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      Mon, January 3, 2005 - 8:33 PM
      I would say this trend of using derogatory words as some sort of terms of endearment is only a demonstration of poor education and ignorance. The argument that it somehow dilutes its negativity is nonsense, it just means that we accept the hate, I think we just become desensitized to it on the surface but the hate runs deep. If a guy beats his wife or girlfriend every day and she gets use to it does that make it OK!
      The word "nigger" has over 200 years of hate behind it and doesn't deserve a place in anyone's vocabulary and for that matter there are a lot of other words that don't but I'll save those for another rant.
      Well that's my opinion for what it's worth.
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        Tue, January 4, 2005 - 6:43 AM
        Amber,

        It's a word among others that my children (who are 21 and 23) do not use. They listen to their mother more when it comes to foul language......she NEVER uses any.

        I was raised in the 60's in Gardena down in L.A. and it wasn't used then unless you were ready to fight someone when you used it.

        I have a small story of one time I used it to curse a white driver who cut me off when I was giving a ride to a black shipmate in San Diego back in the early 70's. Our friendship was never the same after that..

        (Nice to see another Cal Poly Grad here.....*S*)
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          Tue, January 4, 2005 - 8:23 AM
          Its nice to be a Cal Poly Grad, after four looong years.

          Could not convince my boyfriend to go to Poly though. As a 13 year old child he got tear gassed at Poly Royal. The SLO PD is very bad, they are racist and hate students. He is studying Electrical Engineering, and Cal Poly is tops for that, but we ended up here at UC Santa Cruz for his studies.

          I even had Ph.D. professors warn me and other students to watch out for the SLO PD on Halloween because "they are a bunch of nazis". Don't know if you had any run-in's with them. The Cal Poly Campus Police were awesome, but the city police had some major issues. Right now the county is in several litigations for wrongful death because of some of their officers.
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            Tue, January 4, 2005 - 11:10 AM
            No, I was a good boy when at Poly.....

            Married in May 1981....we had our first daughter Dec 1981....and the second daughter Jan 1984 and I graduated in June 1984.....

            I was a bit too busy working...going to class, and having babies to have too much fun.

            It was a nice environ to have kids in.......
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      Thu, October 20, 2005 - 5:35 PM
      Hi Mollena, I'm new to the tribe but your post is dead on. I'm old school so I'm feeling you when you talk about using that word back in the day. You are right though why give a person that much power. If you leave the racial factor out of it, it basically it comes down to how do you deal with a person who disrespects you. We all should have a plan of action if and when that happens.
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    Tue, January 4, 2005 - 4:16 PM
    i didnt even read the whole statement but when that word that people wont let die came up i just got irratated, i wish people would just forget about that word and never use it or bring it up, its getting really old
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    Sun, January 9, 2005 - 10:39 AM
    Sticks and stones may break my bones, but the word "nigger" wil never hurt me.
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      Tue, January 25, 2005 - 5:44 PM
      First of all is she callin him -er or -a??? Cuz if she's sayin the N-word to him then that's racist connotation and any black dude that would let a white woman call him that and be with her is straight up dumb in the head.....

      But sayin nigga aint racist.....word is flipped. If you grew up in a black neighborhood no matter what ethnicity you are you gonna be called that word and its gonna be part of your vocab. Are black dudes bein racist by callin each other nigga or callin someone white/asian/hispanic that racist? Hell naw....if someone cant comprehend that there's a difference between the 2 then its beyond me. Now of course if someone goes up to someone black and calls then the -er version, they are racist and would hopefully get the ish slapped outta them.
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        Tue, January 25, 2005 - 10:17 PM
        UBZ said it,
        there is a difference between being called a nigger and a nigga. This is probably one of the oldest explanations out there. The main difference in the word Nigga, is that it has crossed ethnic borders now.
        A chinese guy/or girl can say my nigga's
        A white guy/or girl can say my nigga's
        and I have heard many of them say it, but the word nigger is still concidered a racial derogative, but I say fuck that.
        Words only have the power that we let them have. We have to stop letting the word actualy bother us, I know that its alot harder than it sounds, but thats the only way that the word will pass into obscurity.
        I haven't been called a nigger to my face since highschool but then I am over 6 feet tall!
        My advice if somebody calls you a nigger is laugh like your talking to a child and say takes one to know one. If somebody is calling anybody a nigger its because that's all the power that they have, name calling.
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          Wed, January 26, 2005 - 7:09 AM
          And let's not forget another cultural problem. Most of what you guys say applies mostly to people being raised in the US culture. For example for older generations in Europe it is still PC to call a black person a "negro". That is because it is the original word from latin that just mean "black". That was before the word became stigmatized.
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        Thu, January 27, 2005 - 2:18 PM
        this is tru UBZ14. My boyfriend calls everyone nigga. It's not just to his friends he'll says "nigga you don't know what you're talkin about" to guys he doesn't know or "hey nigga let's go...." do whatever to his buddies. He grew up in an all black area in sac (yea he's black too). what cracks me up is when he calls ME BLOOD. I laugh at him and say I'm not his blood get it right. He always has a smart ass comment. Well u got my blood in u now don't u blood?
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          Wed, February 9, 2005 - 11:09 PM



          look, from this minor discussion of a word you have to see the BIG picture. this "neturalizing formula" of taking away a words power is FALSE!

          just look how the same formula is applied to argue over the "unconfirmed" genocides going on in africa. the moment you marginalize a definate wrong, you begin to open the door for other evils to look like less than they appear to be. stamp ot all fires and leave no trace or memory of them to reignite...

          and it does sound so fucking ignorant... kill it NOW!
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            Wed, February 23, 2005 - 11:32 AM
            Well said.
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              Wed, February 23, 2005 - 6:23 PM


              thanks man,

              i try to let my 37 years see through to the core of the problem rather than be caught up in the struggle of its definition...

              "you must learn..."
              -bdp
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                Thu, February 24, 2005 - 1:17 PM
                I used to think that the distinction between "nigger" and "nigga" has some validity until I recalled something Richard Pryor once said during one of his stand-up routines.

                He had just come back from Africa and before he went over there, he like alot of us, used to call each other "nigger"(nigga) as a term of endearment-- like, "my nigga", etc. And then he had this realization, in the motherland, where everything was being done by black people, that he didn't see any niggers. He then realized that the term had been made up as a term of degradation, as a way of putting black people down, and from then on, he never used the word again.

                This stuck with me over the years. We've been degraded enough. We don't have to do it to ourselves even when we think we are "flipping" the meaning, it still has its connotations. Like when a black man calls his woman, a "bitch". That still hurts. When I ever hit a black man say that to a woman, I say: "Are you telling me that your mother is a 'dog'? A woman is a woman, not a bitch.

                Gilton
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                  Sat, March 26, 2005 - 12:45 PM
                  I personally don't like th word, I understand it's history, don't use it, have not use for in any form ('er or 'a endings).

                  Just call me by my name please.

                  Ms. Heart
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    Fri, March 4, 2005 - 1:00 PM
    I was asked about a variation on this topic, and here was my response...

    I am a Black, male Dominant, and I admit that I do engage in the use of the word, but not as a part of my BDSM play. I engage in it as a part of my regular sex life. Even when I have taken off my leathers, I am still Dominant (Dominant is who I am, not just what I do, much the same as a person knows that they are straight or gay, whether they have ever had sex or not).

    When at home, I enjoy vigorous, enthusiastic sex. I feel very intimate and close to my lovers, and don't want there to be anything that I cannot share with them - nothing that is taboo. The only way to demonstrate that that is so, is to do and say anything. Ass slapping, hair pulling... anything goes. I especially enjoy erotic wordplay and get an uninhibited thrill from releasing whatever naughty little expletive erupts from our carnal bliss.

    There is nothing like the rush I get when a woman feels so safe and secure with me that she can scream out "I'm gonna cum all over your nigger dick, Daddy!" or "fuck me, you big Black motherfucker!". I had a lover once tell me that she never came so hard in her life as when she heard me rapturously sputter "look at what you're doing to me, you filthy fucking Jewess!" in hear ear. I was honored, because it fostered a level of closeness and self expression between us that transcended race or religion. It was total acknowlegement and acceptance of everything that we were and were not; the good, the bad, and the ugly.

    Now others may look at this type of talk with disdain and say that it goes too far They can call me a freak if they want to, but these are often the same people who routinely say things like "who's your Daddy" or without thinking about what that phrase actually implies. To them I say this; God doesn't judge a person until after that person's life has ended. Who is man to do it any sooner?

    I think, that it is all just a matter of perception and intent.

    I have been called nigger by racists as a malicious slur, and I have been called nigger by my friends and relatives as a familial term of endearment. The former got pounded, while the latter got pounds. Why would I let my best friend say "even if you get no bigger, you're still my nigger" and not allow my lover (the person who shares my body and my bed) to do the same, just because she may not be black? To do that would imply that no matter how intimate we get, we'll never be that close. That isn't what I'm commited to.

    My point is that the difference is not in the word (whether it's spelled nigger, nigga, nukka, or nizzle) but in the meaning that we create and apply to the word, based upon who it's coming from. I'm not going to stop enjoying my Richard Pryor albums, or Quentin Tarantino films, for that matter, because of their generous use of the word. That doesn't mean I would vote Mark Fuhrman for Sheriff, either. It's about discernment

    Just as in BDSM play, it's a mutually consensual, personal experience. So I'll just quote George Clinton and say...
    "to each - his reach, and if you can't cop it, it ain't yours to have"

    Think! It ain't illegal, yet.
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      Sat, March 5, 2005 - 11:08 AM

      a little plug dosen't hurt eh...?

      so your point was, you have alot of BDSM sex and feel good about it?
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        Sat, March 5, 2005 - 1:35 PM
        No, though I do have alot of sex, that was not my point.

        My mention of BDSM was meant to express that I represent one of the many diverse flavors of interracial romance, and I have an opinion on the use of the word "nigger". I mention BDSM because it describes my background (as other have done in this thread), which adds context to my own use of the word, and gives insight into my particular perspective.
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          Wed, March 16, 2005 - 2:19 PM
          Personally I can't stand it being used. I don't use it, but my brother mouths it off like it's cool. I think thought it's acceptance comes from it's over use in hiphop culture. HipHop is a very powerful thing, and any positive change reflected across the industry would be reflected shortly.
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            Fri, March 18, 2005 - 3:51 AM
            Richard Pryor was using it long before hiphop was even created
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              Fri, March 18, 2005 - 1:55 PM

              look...

              people don't go around using the word "do-do" (unless you have lots of BDSM sex hahahaaa!) because the bird is extinct. i think if there ever were "niggers or niggas", they are gone forever so let the word die with the last of them, even the ones r. pryor was talking about...
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                Fri, March 18, 2005 - 2:16 PM
                you and theo seem to butt head ALOT...... everywhere I go you 2 are contridicting one another
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                  Fri, March 18, 2005 - 8:02 PM
                  Why discard it if there is still use for it. The dodo bird is indeed extinct, but the word "dodo" is still in popular use today, having very little, if anything, to with the bird

                  Words are tools to be used. If a particular word isn't useful to you, don't use it.

                  And since you mentioned it Angel, I do not know Turner, personally. In fact , since I haven't even bothered to check out his profile, I'll admit I know nothing about him. But you're right, this is not the first time he has sought to single me out for comment. Whenever he could not refute my logic, he has sought to make personal comments about my character. The reason why he has failed , on all fronts, to get me to lower myself and play the dozens is because when I was boy, my grandmother gave me some advice that I'd like to share with you all now.


                  Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get covered in shit, and the pig likes it
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                    Mon, March 21, 2005 - 1:41 PM

                    duuuuude, just having some fun with you. y'all get unbent already... i'm not a sniper but you know whatever guys. i have opinions of my own so just because they aren't yours don't hate, state... call me a troll or whatver, hey man i met a submissive this weekend who wants to call me daddy and all that so i might be agreeing with you on some shit real soon... can't beat 'em join 'em i guess, just get over it man...

                    notice: i didn't use the "word" at all in talking to this man and my point and ideas were able to be expressed...
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    Re: Can anyone explain this one to me?

    Tue, March 29, 2005 - 9:23 PM
    There are many many people who are very irresponsible parents. They let their kids get away with all sorts of things, then cry the blues when something happens.

    For instance, many people call themselves and each other these names and they think it's okay. When someone from outside their group or circle of friends uses the word, suddenly it's derogatory and sometimes a fight breaks out. When the parents have to go get the kids from the police station, they blame the other kids for starting the fight with using the word instead of owning up to their own responsibilities of teaching their kids not to use this word for any reason.

    The parents of the kids who used the word in the first place also blame the other kids because it's "just a word or name" that shouldn't incite any feelings. Because it did, then "it must be true".

    Some have gotten around all this by changing the word. Instead of calling black people "nigger", they now just call them "monkey". It's the same degradation, but monkey isn't nearly as hated a word, being that they are a real animal and it's much more politically correct.

    Your parents did a good job with you (at least in this respect... I don't know anything else about you so I can't speak on anything else). You'll do a good job with your kids (if you already have them or if you have them in the future).

    More responsibility for raising one's kids is necessary, though, otherwise these kids grow into adults believing this is okay to do.
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      Fri, August 12, 2005 - 8:23 PM
      Ignorance is the great motivator, which lull's you into a state of blissful stupidity, I never developed a penchant for the word, couldn't quite grasp the supposed lack of negativity, but I never really acquired a fondness for profanity, or vulgarity in general. People deceive themselves so efficiently, this is a part of what makes us human, if a lie is repeated enough times, people begin to believe, and accept it. The n-word is derogatory, no matter who uses it, if it were not, tensions would not boil over into physical violence, in the defense of a so-called right to equal respect, reverence should begin with ourselves, as long as we indulge hate, we will feel the uneasy pain of the sword, that for centuries, has cut to the very soul of our people.
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        Tue, August 16, 2005 - 8:46 AM
        theo made an excellent point... "words are tools" of expression. so let's look at how tools are used and how it's use may change the person using it, and how they are perceived.

        i take a hammer and use it to build a house... i am a carpenter. i take the same hammer and bash in your skull... i am a murderer, but wait... i bashed in your skull becuz you were attempting to rape a woman... i am a protector.

        words are empty vessels that we fill with the spirit of what we are attempting to communicate. in and of themselves they are harmless. it is how we use them and how we choose to take them. if we continue to allow the use of words to upset our internal/external balance then we remain automatons... having our buttons pushed and strings pulled by whoever chooses to... puppets on strings of words attached to what... meanings?
        who said def meant good/awesome, or that ill meant the same thing? how did gay go from meaning happy to loving someone of the same sex? if i say, "come here" will you walk to the designated spot... or have an orgasm on the designated spot? they're words people! there is no right or wrong to this issue... you simply take it however you choose, but don't deny others the right to make their own chioce.

        respectful people cannot be dis-respected by words. respect comes from within and cannot be given or taken away by a combination of letters, or anything outside of yourself. you can never disrespect me with a word... i am too respect-full!

        i can take your grocery list and cuss you out with it... take a list of profanities and write a profound love poem, just by the spirit in which i use the words.

        we give meaning to our words "in the ways in which we use them", that! is a fact, not an opinion.
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          Tue, August 16, 2005 - 12:33 PM
          Wow... this is such an interesting thread. I grew up in SF as part of what I guess you would call the hiphop generation. Went to Mission High School in the early 90's where whites were the minority. I got teased a lot (since elem. school) and it was never 'cool' or 'in' to be white.. pretty much all my friends where black or latino and I would speak the same way they did including using the term 'nigga'. It was an endearing term that I NEVER used with a negative connotation. i.e. "thas my nigga" and I never used it with the -er ending. Back then this was just the way people talked.. it was not directed to blacks or used in a derogatory fashion so I can understand how kids today use it. But as I got older I started to realize how hurtful the term can be no matter how you 'flip' it. ... so I decided to not use it anymore and will quickly respond when someone uses it around me. It is hateful and disrepectful!! As far as using it 'at home' .... my ex-husband is black and he and his bro would call each other nigger and laugh about it.. he didn't care about the word.. but he would call me a cracker and although I would laugh.. it really hurt! I had delt with people on the outside coming at me for my skin color for years and never felt truly accepted and now my own husband in my own house is using this term!! To make matters worse he didn't like to be with me in public because of the negative attention. So.... I don't believe this term (or other racial slurs) should be used at all and when someone uses it or any other derogatory term regardless of your ethnicity or backround you have to rise above it and not let it dictate your actions. I didn't care that the black girls would look at us sideways and make comments but it hurt me to the core when my own husband didn't want to go out in public with me because of it... WE NEED TO LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER....
          just my personal take on it
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            Thu, August 25, 2005 - 7:09 PM
            I find it interesting that people who are not comfortable saying the word have no trouble typing it out. I have never in my 35 years on this planet used the N word or typed it out. I grew up in a black neighborhood like one of the posters and never in my life thought it was o.k. to utter the word with an R or an A. Perhaps I just grew up in a different time where if you said such a thing you'd get popped in the mouth.

            I can not for the life of me understand how ANYONE can justify uttering such filth from their pie holes.
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              Sat, October 1, 2005 - 8:06 PM
              Its strange that this discussion came up because I never paid attention to it when I use to use it. And I started laughing because I used to call everyone n*gger......Like when I would see a white dude and Im with my boy I would say "look at that white n*gger". Or I met this cool chinese n*gger. Until one day this older black lady overheard my conversation with one of my buddies and she was like asking why do you use that word so much.

              At first I thought....She was just raised in a different time when that word meant something different. But then I thought how would I feel if a white person said it. MAD AS HELL and be ready to kick some ass.

              But the reality is that word is just that....A word and that word could never be who I am or the millions of black people who built this country.
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    Thu, October 6, 2005 - 7:15 AM
    I have had discussions with people of several races about derogatory language...to me there are certain words which I will never use, nor ever accept as "hip" so I teach my children to respect others and not use derogatory language. My significant other is African-American and we've discussed it also, the use of "nigger" is unacceptable to me, although it is used by young people of various races. When I was in college, we (my black friends and I) called each other cuz now they seem to use "nigger". In my day, that would have led to a bloody confrontation, I still think it's a word like "bitch" that is too often used and abused.
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      Thu, October 20, 2005 - 8:04 AM
      Her's a hook for a song I recoreded 2 years ago called sydney portier- some people will find this offensive!!(It's about the sub-conscious working of racism in america on all people indoctrinated into american culture)

      Racism cuts deep through your wake and your sleep
      You think nigger feel nigger fear nigger in speech
      You breathe it in when born apit it out from then on
      Wake up with it at dawn and never stop till you gone
      If you a nigger then you try to shake it out of your world
      But every person that you meet man woman boy or girl sees nigger
      Even if you think you're free in this white man's worls nigger's will always be just niggers
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        Fri, November 4, 2005 - 11:05 AM
        Sorry it took me so long to get back, but that was an interesting twist you put on the use of the word and the actual declaration of it's literal meaning, whether it was uttered or not. I hope I'm interpreting it correctly, but are you just referring to what some people think or are you actually identifying yourself? (as popeye said "I yam what I yam")

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