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Interracism

topic posted Wed, October 6, 2004 - 8:53 AM by  Unsubscribed
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My wife and I have been together over 20 years. I think we're fortunate to live in a place where there is very little racism. The type of racism that we've (or she) have had to deal with is very subtle, such as the waitress or store clerk that will somehow overlook you or the apartment that was available when you called 30 minutes earlier was somehow rented when you got there. Then of course there are the people that overcompensate by trying to be extra helpful and extra friendly. You know sometimes I think some people just want to be my wife's friend for the sake of having a black friend but shit whatever helps them get over it.
What are your expierence's?
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    Re: Interracism

    Wed, October 6, 2004 - 12:18 PM
    My wife is japanese.....she works at the local post office as a clerk....there is one japanese mail carrier.....

    Most seem to remember her as the carrier......and there is a great deal of difference between the two of them.

    Other than that......I haven't really noticed anything. I'll have to ask her.
  • Re: Interracism

    Wed, October 6, 2004 - 1:01 PM
    there isnt a whole lot wher ei live, but when my husband and i go to his family gatherings (we went to a wedding not long ago and i was the *ONLY* white person there and walking through that part of that city.LITERALLY.
    and i know ppl were staring,but hubby says that ppl arent, which i know isnt true cuz i see them staring RIGHT at me. meh
    oh well...
    ~_~
  • Re: Interracism

    Thu, October 7, 2004 - 2:59 AM
    Sadly the biggest problems with Joe and I come from our families....I would have thought my family would be better, since both my parents are mixed and dealt with interracial relationships, my mom is Japanese and white, dad is First Antion and Latino....but my family didn't like that he *looks* white (Joe is Portuguese, Hawaiian, White). His family didn't like that I was "too dark" think he should find a nice white girl....... but strangers are mainly cool, except when we go out of Portland....
    • Re: Interracism

      Tue, October 12, 2004 - 12:59 PM
      > His family didn't like that I was "too dark"

      Well... its not like they can trade ya in for another model.
      • Re: Interracism

        Wed, October 13, 2004 - 3:26 AM
        Sadly they keep hoping so...... we spent last thanksgiving with his family and listened to his grandpa talk the whole time about the "evils of colored girls" and how Joe needs to find a good catholic white girl. He also stated we weren't in his will and the only way Joe could be back in was to drop me and find a white girl... of course his mom figures since we are poly it is not a "real" relationship anyway and he will eventually settle down with "the right girl"...*laughs*
        • Re: Interracism

          Wed, October 13, 2004 - 8:50 AM
          wow at that point if I was Joe I would have politely told his father thanks for the great dinner conversation and that you both needed to go some place else now.... ANY PLACE else. I would not have allowed that topic to continue with my mate having to go thru that.

          My family is accepting of my relationships. But my mom once in a while asks WHY it is all my friends are black men or why I never have white guys in my life. I just tell her if I find a white guy I can get along with as easy as I can my friends I have now, by all means he will lbe a friend of mine too.

          I guess it's harder for her cuz I never dated out of my race til 10 years ago and now that is all I date
          • Re: Interracism

            Fri, October 22, 2004 - 3:14 PM
            I get flack from some black women for dating white women, but it's almost always from those low class hoodrats who don't seem to realize that one of the reasons they can't find a man is not because a white woman stole him. It's because they don't know how to act.

            What man would want to be with a woman, of any color, who just indiscriminately mouths off to complete strangers out in public. You just know that if she doesn't have the self control to keep her mouth shut out in the street, she is a living hell to be around, back at home.

            Bottom line, no matter what color you are, I don't date women ghetto mentalities.
            • Re: Interracism

              Fri, October 22, 2004 - 9:12 PM
              You know, I am very sensitive to this issue. I tend to tone down my flirting if I am in a group consisting of some fine ass black men and black women are in attendance. I really do not want to infringe, as it were, on their "first" right to flirt.

              That... and I don't want to get my ass beat with out my express permission!

              I accept and appreciate all people of all races and colors, I just have a bit of a preference for darker men!

              I dated a man for 7 years and while he loved being with me at home, he had issues going out -- not because of the color differences, but because he is a personal trainer and it "made him look unprofessional" to be seen dating a fat woman. Go figure.

              redhotred
              • Re: Interracism

                Sat, October 23, 2004 - 12:52 AM
                Whatever happened to leaving work at the office?

                Unless you were one of his clients, he had no right to expect you to look like one of his clients
                • Re: Interracism

                  Sat, October 23, 2004 - 7:38 AM
                  I really appreciate your support, you're so cute err... strong and handsome!

                  I think that was the point, he was afraid that he might run into a client, and therefore have to "explain" himself.

                  His problem was, and still is, that he likes larger women! He never expected me to change. Now that I am healthier and more fit, he is very proud of me, even though he had nothing to do with my training. He is the one who will have to resolve his issues. We are still very good friends, just not with benefits!
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                    Re: Interracism

                    Mon, October 25, 2004 - 7:09 AM
                    Interesting duality complex he has going...Is he a gemini? That is the common problem we tend to have...

                    My issues are similar to the hoodrat issues...with a few quiet golddiggers.

                    But, I deal with so much racism when I'm out with a date that's not of my race that I can't even make note of it anymore...but sometimes it is funny to watch a guy's face change when he's hitting on a cute blonde only to find out she's with me... :)
                    • Re: Interracism

                      Mon, October 25, 2004 - 9:46 AM
                      Actually Dadisi, he is all Scorpio, just like me!

                      "sometimes it is funny to watch a guy's face change when he's hitting on a cute blonde only to find out she's with me... :)"

                      I'll bet it is.

                      I just have to say this... I do not understand any kind of racisim! I never could understand it. Am I really THAT unique? Jeez, to me it is a no-brainer -- we are all of this earth and therefore one race, doesn't everybody know that?

                      Guess I am still so naive on this point. (Even though I consider myself to be quite well-rounded and not just my figure!)

                      redhotred
                      • Re: Interracism

                        Mon, October 25, 2004 - 4:29 PM
                        "I just have to say this... I do not understand any kind of racisim! I never could understand it. Am I really THAT unique?"

                        I hear that one alot. Truth is racism has nothing to do with understanding. So, you can't. Racism is all fear and it has nothing but victims regardless of what side you stand on or go down on (whatever the case may be).

                        Me...I try to laugh at it but never avoid it. The same way I handle all the prejudice I encounter... God Bless, Carlos Mencia!
                        • Re: Interracism

                          Mon, October 25, 2004 - 10:26 PM
                          Ahh fear, maybe you are right... How do we stop fear, I wonder...

                          I just went to Carlos' web site, I will have to check him out. He sounds like my kind of comedian.
                      • Re: Interracism

                        Tue, October 26, 2004 - 8:49 AM
                        "I just have to say this... I do not understand any kind of racisim! I never could understand it. Am I really THAT unique?"

                        I am actually that NIEVE too. I am told by the guys around me I am blind if I don't see the hateand looks we get. How when they come to my neighborhood to pick me up a cop will turn the car around and watch where they are going. I don't see it. I don't understand what the problem is. Why are they going to watch where a black man is going but right behind me there is a lil mexico street? Is it just black guys are worse than mexican? WHY is anyone worse than anyone else? I feel we all have a right to be where we want to be and if that includes an area where we "don't belong" then so be it. Just live your own life and stop being so concerned with what the next guy is doing... that is the law I live by


                    • Re: Interracism

                      Tue, October 26, 2004 - 7:52 PM
                      > Is he a gemini? That is the common problem we tend to have

                      Just Say No To Geminis (tribe)
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          • Re: Interracism

            Mon, October 25, 2004 - 7:14 AM
            I don't know, Angel. I think Joe did the right thing and sit and listen (or having them both listen). Racism comes in all shapes and forms and basically has to do with peoples miss givings about themselves...our only chance to really overcome it is to help people understand that a "good white christian girl" just as wild, sluty, and likely to take all you cash and leave ya as any other girl. :)
            • Re: Interracism

              Wed, October 27, 2004 - 2:56 AM
              Dadisi,
              I agree with you. I was much happier that we stayed and were able to dialogue with some of the family, rather than running away and allowing the stereotypes to persist. I think the only way to change the perceptions or misconceptions are to allow people to see how erroneous the belief is. Many people in Joe's family were actually very surprised to get to know me, and to find out I was educated and had several degrees, and that I was preparing for law school. Also shocked to find out I wasn't after Joe for his money and in fact it was just the opposite, that I am the primary woker in our relationship and bring in the money working as well as doing school to help support him while he also does school.
              • Re: Interracism

                Wed, October 27, 2004 - 8:23 AM
                well that's cool that they opened up and listened to you. it seemed from the previous post they were just closed minded and would not give you a chance.... that is why I said I'd of left. I also take the fact I am a mom into the picture and if that was happening around my son and it was "family" he has no need to be apart of that.
                • Re: Interracism

                  Thu, October 28, 2004 - 5:11 AM
                  His mom and siblings listen, it is his grandfather that doesn't. His grandfsather ended up leaving because he wouldn't stay in the same room with me for too long. Sad about that person, but much of the family is cool. I may have felt different if there was a child of mine involved as well, hard to say, but I would probably feel similarly that I wouldn't want a child to be around such hate.
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                    Re: Interracism

                    Sat, December 31, 2005 - 8:57 AM
                    Sunstrong, there are going to be some people (usually older, or someone younger who has been endoctrinated by their parents or others) you won't be able to "save". I hate to say this but when a lot older people die I think there will be less raceism. I just hope the young ones who feel that way don't poison their kids.
              • Re: Interracism

                Thu, October 28, 2004 - 9:39 AM
                Sunsong...Sunsong...Sunsong...

                You are a wonderful woman and Joe is a very lucky man. If we all could be so lucky...I wish you both the best and Know that you'll have whatever you choose to have. :)
        • Re: Interracism

          Thu, November 18, 2004 - 6:07 PM
          sorry but Joe's family sounds like the biggest bunch of assholes i've ever heard about, they sound RUDE and obnoxious...I hope everything works out for you.
          • Re: Interracism

            Sat, November 27, 2004 - 9:44 AM
            I have to say i get the most hatred when i'm with a woman from the sisters. Glaring, whispering and all rudeness. living in this area close to Philly it's not been near as bad as other places.
            • Re: Interracism

              Mon, January 3, 2005 - 5:01 AM
              I had interesting experience on new years eve.....

              I was dancing with my boyfriend who is black at a night club. There was tons of room on the dance floor, so I danced away from him so that he could check out my back side. As I turned around to dance back toward him, a white girl started grinding on him from the back and a black girl started grinding on his front side. I was so buzz, I just started laughing, because he had this scared look on his face like he didn't know what to do.

              Well, the black girl says oh is this your man? I said yeah he's mine. She says I'm so sorry I not trying to cause any problems between you and your man. I just told her not to worry its new years eve!!!!

              But I do have to say, I have never been harrassed so often by the cops since I started to date my boyfriend. Thats a whole 'nother emotional story I do not feel like getting into right now.
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                Re: Interracism

                Tue, January 4, 2005 - 12:30 PM
                Been integrated into a very hispanic family since a month now. It's fun being the only "white" guy in a bunch of 40 Hispanics on Christmas eve with NO spanish knowledge. Gotta work on that :-)
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                Re: Interracism

                Tue, January 4, 2005 - 2:18 PM
                A few years ago I walked into a dance club in Edinburgh, Scotland with two women, one on each arm. I was in town for a few days and they were visiting from Oslo. We met at a cafe and they wanted to dance. Being the only black man around, they asked me if I knew of a place. I told them no but that I'd be willing to help them find one.

                After dancing for a few songs one of them went to get some drinks. As soon as she stepped away, two women took her place. It was an incredible evening!

                I guess there is just something about being different. Especially in northern Europe. (I've had similar experiences in Finland.)

                My fiancee, a Chicana, gets upset when I receive attention from all women, regardless of race/ethnicity.
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    Re: Interracism

    Sun, January 9, 2005 - 4:38 PM
    i find that people in general are just ignorant and closed minded.
    nobody can ever figure out what the hell i am, or my ex for that matter. was buying groceries with my current ex (who is black) one day and the lady at the counter was giving me the DIRTIEST looks. she made a comment to her friend across the way and pointed at me. they both started eyeing me all the way up the line.
    as we were paying i conveniently told the ex about my dad coming home from his trip to, "the motherland". the minute she heard that she looked up and started smiling at me. even urged me to have a nice day.
    the ex made the comment that folks never know he's black until he walks around with me.
  • Re: Interracism

    Fri, December 30, 2005 - 7:56 PM
    Me, my mom, my dad, and now-husband were walking down the street during a festival. A truck of cops pulled over to us and addressed my then-boyfriend and wanted to pat him down and everything--they probably thought he was scamming this innocent white family and couldn't figure out what this black guy was doing with this white family. Yet the second i went over to the cop and said "HEY...we LIVE together" he drove off...the twisted part? the cop was black.

    and as far as white women "not seeing color" or "not noticing racism"--that can be chalked up to our white privelege...since we are not a minority and have never experienced growing up as one, we are less likely to pick up on racism and that is the privelege white people have, the privelege of not noticing....because when you are black, according to my man, you always notice even if it becomes more subtle over time.
    • Re: Interracism

      Sat, December 31, 2005 - 8:09 AM
      Dj that's an excellent point. Here's a case in point. I work at a research center that employs about 135 people. At one time I think our employee population was up to 145. There has never been more than 5-6 African-Americans employed there at one time. There has been only one African-American promoted in twenty years and she was promoted from the lowest grade level to the next level (from a worker to a supervisor--she managed about 3 people). She stayed in that position less than a year then quit because of non-support from her manager. There has only been one an African-American hired in as anything but a worker. The lady who was hired as an engineer stayed there about a year and she left too because she could see there weren't many opportunites for A-A's there (also she didn't get much support from her managers either). There are a few other situations I could bring up but you get my drift. All of this has gone on and it seems none of my White co-workers (with whom I get along with perfectly well) notices. It's like they say to themselves, "it's always been this way" so it must be okay. Sure there are Asians, and Hispanics who work there and who have gotten promoted (not proportionate to their numbers) but if A-A's are totally left out, the system is still whacked. I'm working to change that (which might get me booted) but this is just instance that strengthens my claim that racism is more subtle now.

      My girlfriend an I don't get the glares (maybe a few from older people, or from people in small Texas towns) but "it's" still around and like someone said earlier it can come from both sides.
      • Re: Interracism

        Sat, December 31, 2005 - 8:17 AM
        I feel racism has not improved much at all in years....the reality is that people are just more "careful" about what they say or how they act because it "looks bad".....this is what a friend told me when I had the idea that racism was getting better--she was sadly right.

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